tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post5146833470018931644..comments2024-03-15T11:42:21.265-04:00Comments on The Patry Copyright Blog: iTunes: Infringement Detection Tool?William Patryhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12987498082479617363noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-78224808962270302402007-09-24T11:15:00.000-04:002007-09-24T11:15:00.000-04:00With the recent article in the New Yorker and an i...With the recent article in the New Yorker and an interview I heard on NPR, I am wondering if anyone has filed a copyright infringement claim for these acts of infringement?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-53257891900666011252007-02-27T17:00:00.000-05:002007-02-27T17:00:00.000-05:00The New York Times of February 27th, page E3 of th...The New York Times of February 27th, page E3 of the Arts section has a story by Alan Riding in which the pianist's husband admitted to the fraudulent recordings. Here is a link to Andres rose's site with the acoustical evidence: http://pristineclassical.com/HattoHoax.htmlWilliam Patryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12987498082479617363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-11575745491597302522007-02-22T17:21:00.000-05:002007-02-22T17:21:00.000-05:00Further updates to this story on Wired's Listening...Further updates to this story on Wired's Listening Post <A HREF="http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/ListeningPost/~3/93906728/song_recognitio.html" REL="nofollow">blog</A>. <BR/><BR/>Turns out Apple is NOT using Gracenote's sophisticated acoustic recognition tool, so this suggests Hatto simply made a track for track copy of the existing CD and released under her own name. Somewhat embarrassing that it took the classical music establishment so long to catch on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-76108309318469767942007-02-22T13:13:00.000-05:002007-02-22T13:13:00.000-05:00Two fascinating posts from the sleuths - Andrew Ro...Two fascinating posts from the sleuths - <BR/><BR/>Andrew Rose - visual waveform match and side-by-side listening (left Hatto, right the other pianist)<BR/>http://www.pristineclassical.com/HattoHoax.html<BR/><BR/>Centre for the History and Analysis of Recorded Music (CHARM) - timescape visualisation<BR/>http://www.charm.rhul.ac.uk/content/contact/hatto_article.html<BR/><BR/>In conclusion, Rose states "We have yet to investigate a Hatto recording that has not proved to be a hoax."<BR/><BR/>The husband, who produced the "recordings" is in deer-in-the-headlights mode, and has yet to be able to produce any substantial information supporting independent creation of the CDs.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-91332514813499344572007-02-21T19:34:00.000-05:002007-02-21T19:34:00.000-05:00"When some one's plagiarized work becomes popular,...<I>"When some one's plagiarized work becomes popular, something somewhere will eventually match the copy to the source and uncover the masquerade.</I><BR/>Well, at least dozens of CDs later...maybe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-6170598881145523552007-02-21T17:31:00.000-05:002007-02-21T17:31:00.000-05:00Great story. It seems to me that the best way to p...Great story. It seems to me that the best way to protect the rights of artists is large repositories of known compositions (rather than snooping on individuals).<BR/><BR/>When some one's plagiarized work becomes popular, something somewhere will eventually match the copy to the source and uncover the masquerade.y-intercepthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03389285761013186443noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-80096935009480142722007-02-21T13:16:00.000-05:002007-02-21T13:16:00.000-05:00According to one of the Gracenote bigwigs, Graceno...According to one of the Gracenote bigwigs, Gracenote actually goes beyond track numbers and lengths. Apparently, the music industry will often change track lengths slightly when it reprints a CD. So, Gracenote claims to actually play with the audio to identify the track.<BR/><BR/>Some details here: http://www.wired.com/news/columns/0,72105-2.html?tw=wn_story_page_next2Christopher Fulmerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16543538534660568711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-89850460196292803062007-02-21T05:32:00.000-05:002007-02-21T05:32:00.000-05:00Thanks, Fred, I am in DC today attending the AT&T ...Thanks, Fred, I am in DC today attending the AT&T v. Microsfot argument, but will research more when I get backWilliam Patryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12987498082479617363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-11096381429513282782007-02-21T05:25:00.000-05:002007-02-21T05:25:00.000-05:00More on the iTunes angle. ITunes uses (correct me...More on the iTunes angle. ITunes uses (correct me if I'm wrong) Gracenote's CD Database to determine the track listings of discs inserted and imported to the player. Gracenote's database of tracks was originally built by its users -- who put in by hand the information for each track on an albu, (think wikipedia). Gracenote, it is true, now gets track info straight from the music industry, but still accepts user contributions.<BR/><BR/>So it sounds to me that some user of Gracenote out there put in the other artist's name for a track, and it just so happened that someone important enough to get media attention looked into it. Maybe it is an example of open-source style collaboration (enabled through technology) rather than a computer program being able to autonomously evaluate the author -- as the story makes it sound.Jordanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09495155816511137806noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12505562.post-70003031803739134772007-02-21T03:33:00.000-05:002007-02-21T03:33:00.000-05:00I'm afraid this doesn't make sense to me. iTunes u...I'm afraid this doesn't make sense to me. iTunes uses the Gracenote CDDB database to supply metadata when a CD is inserted. This database is built around the unique combination of track numbers, track lengths, and a couple other simple bits of data that are read when a CD is spun in a PC drive. There is no "acoustic fingerprinting" or other sophisticated "recognition" of individual recordings. <BR/><BR/>So the only way the match with another CD could have been triggered is if the combination of track lengths, track number, etc, happened to match (these collisions happen relatively frequently by coincidence). <BR/><BR/>This would almost certainly be a coincidence, rather than evidence of plagiarism. Anyone intent on passing off a recording as one's own would be foolish to leave all the tracks in the same order, and the lengths, as the original. And if steps had been taken to obfuscate the recordings (speeding them up slightly, etc), then the same thing would have resulted in no CDDB match. <BR/><BR/>In short, this sounds extremely fishy to me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com